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Hi. I've bee thinking here about new features.
Now webmaster can delete programmers bids. Hm, I think that's a bit unfair in relation to programmers. I think at least we should recieve a email notification when our bid is getting deleted. And I think programmers should be able to delete webmaster who ask portals for $5 :D
Any comments?
You will receive an email notification when your bid gets deleted. It says so on the site.
I personally think that it isn't unfair at all, cause webmasters should have a reason to delete a programmer. If a programmer isn't annoying a webmaster, then why would he simply dlete the bid of the programmer?
I like the possibility of removing the bids from the projects. It makes webmasters task easier - allows concentrating on real and reasonable ones.
Auto-bidders will quickly get kicked out of the projects :)
hrm. As Far as I noticed my bid was removed from one of the project. I dont know why, may be cause I charge good money for my service, and webmaster was "$10 design" like. And I never got any email notifications :) That's what the story is, guys
This is a feature I have been begging for for a LONG time!
hrm. As Far as I noticed my bid was removed from one of the project. I dont know why, may be cause I charge good money for my service, and webmaster was "$10 design" like. And I never got any email notifications :) That's what the story is, guys
It doesn't mean that you have to take it personally. But you could look into it. Webmasters are annoyed by the following :
- Unrealistic bids ($5 ; $10) etc.
- Pasted portfolio descriptions in the message board.
- Lists of links without specifications or descriptions. (especially broken links)
- etc etc
And the list goes on. It's really pretty logical.
shareaweb
05/20/2006, 11:37
Most of us programmers have seen the projects like "Clone the internet for a dollar.." from webmasters....
Why not a voting system?.. 5 votes from different programmers to delete a project, and the project gets cancelled!, no money back to the webmaster.
I think this should crack the whip on the abuse of the system for crappy project posts. :)
I also think the deletion of the programmer's bids is fair, but number of bids deleted on a project, and who was deleted should be displayed on the bids page.
I think this because there are many repeat "usual" webmasters, and they may simply delete bids from new users on every project, and that is simply not fair to those starting out, it also promotes a monopoly of sorts.
What do you think?
I think this because there are many repeat "usual" webmasters, and they may simply delete bids from new users on every project, and that is simply not fair to those starting out, it also promotes a monopoly of sorts.
I've worked with both new and experienced programmers here. It is risky to choose someone new. That doesn't make it a monopoly. I've been burned before. New programmers take on projects then decide they don't want to freelance after all and walk.
I will only use new programmers on non-critical projects before I give them anything important.
hrm. As Far as I noticed my bid was removed from one of the project. I dont know why, may be cause I charge good money for my service, and webmaster was "$10 design" like. And I never got any email notifications :) That's what the story is, guys
If the webmaster wants a $10 design, and your time is more valuable, just move on to the next one. He'd probably be a nightmare to work with anyway. ;)
trendywebs
05/30/2006, 20:34
Most of us programmers have seen the projects like "Clone the internet for a dollar.." from webmasters....
Why not a voting system?.. 5 votes from different programmers to delete a project, and the project gets cancelled!, no money back to the webmaster.
I think this should crack the whip on the abuse of the system for crappy project posts. :)
I also think the deletion of the programmer's bids is fair, but number of bids deleted on a project, and who was deleted should be displayed on the bids page.
I think this because there are many repeat "usual" webmasters, and they may simply delete bids from new users on every project, and that is simply not fair to those starting out, it also promotes a monopoly of sorts.
What do you think?
I like this idea. When webmasters can choose a programmer from a list of them bidding for a project and now they can kick the programmer from bidding too then i believe we programmers should have a system for deleting a project too. SL always has been a webmaster friendly website with no minimum bid projects, even though when you post a project there is a range from which the webmaster can choose but still a programmer can bid whatever he likes. So, resultant a webmaster always gets bids which are way below the specified range limit of the budget of the project. So, i guess this should be improved a bit to limit the bid range! :eek: :rolleyes:
Regards,
Anirban.
I like this idea. When webmasters can choose a programmer from a list of them bidding for a project and now they can kick the programmer from bidding too then i believe we programmers should have a system for deleting a project too. SL always has been a webmaster friendly website with no minimum bid projects, even though when you post a project there is a range from which the webmaster can choose but still a programmer can bid whatever he likes. So, resultant a webmaster always gets bids which are way below the specified range limit of the budget of the project. So, i guess this should be improved a bit to limit the bid range! :eek: :rolleyes:
Regards,
Anirban.
Not only are you proud to be an Indian, but you are proud to be a programmer on SL. :)
I think you have a great idea there. No one has really mentioned this before.
Programmers should be granted more control, and SL should somehow monitor the projects posted by webmasters, since we are all sick and tired of these $5 projects.
Way to go. Eventually everything will improve. I must say that I am really impressed with what SL staff has done so far. We can all see that they are working hard to make SL a better place for everyone and anyone.
I like this idea. When webmasters can choose a programmer from a list of them bidding for a project and now they can kick the programmer from bidding too then i believe we programmers should have a system for deleting a project too. SL always has been a webmaster friendly website with no minimum bid projects, even though when you post a project there is a range from which the webmaster can choose but still a programmer can bid whatever he likes. So, resultant a webmaster always gets bids which are way below the specified range limit of the budget of the project. So, i guess this should be improved a bit to limit the bid range! :eek: :rolleyes:
Deleting a project? Sounds rather silly to me.
Seems like you are upset about the programmers who just bid absurdly low. If a programmer wants to bid low, let them. If the webmaster gets crappy work then they deserve it.
I don't mean any disrespect about this, but this topic of getting rid of the low bids seems to come up frequently, but I don't see those programmer who are doing a lot of work on SL complaining about it.
I don't see them charging low amounts either. Why is that?
I wasn't thinking of allowing programmers to just delete projects, but I like his idea of granting more control to programmers.
I have half an idea...
OK...
Many, (if not most) webmasters are never really sure of what their budget should be, right? So why don't we allow the programmers to determine that?
A rating/voting system. When you bid on a project, your bid is put into a formula which calculates an average minimum budget for the project.
But...
Another thread on this forum gave me a great idea. Not all programmers will have the same impact on that specifically calculated budget. The bid of a programmer with 0 feedback won't count as much percentage wise as the bid of a programmer with 50 feedback.
What do you think? Could actually work. :) Maybe not...just a brainwave.
Deleting a project? Sounds rather silly to me.
Think this feature might be useful. Maybe not delete, but at least flag it as being suspicious. Seen a lot of projects with exactly SAME description but posted under different webmaster's name. Not so pleasant. Would be nice to have a feature flagging such projects. Also sometimes "bad" projects are posted on SL, like pay me 100 via paypal and I'll pay you 120 via escrow. Not a problem for someone experienced, but if such project could be "flagged" in some way it could save somebody less experienced. Think i would not consider bidding on the project which was flagged as suspicious by few members (counter maybe). Just a simple warning :)
Think this feature might be useful. Maybe not delete, but at least flag it as being suspicious. Seen a lot of projects with exactly SAME description but posted under different webmaster's name. Not so pleasant. Would be nice to have a feature flagging such projects. Also sometimes "bad" projects are posted on SL, like pay me 100 via paypal and I'll pay you 120 via escrow. Not a problem for someone experienced, but if such project could be "flagged" in some way it could save somebody less experienced. Think i would not consider bidding on the project which was flagged as suspicious by few members (counter maybe). Just a simple warning :)
There is already something for that: https://www.scriptlance.com/report.shtml
The SL team is really good about closing projects when they are reported.
trendywebs
06/06/2006, 05:39
Deleting a project? Sounds rather silly to me.
Seems like you are upset about the programmers who just bid absurdly low. If a programmer wants to bid low, let them. If the webmaster gets crappy work then they deserve it.
I don't mean any disrespect about this, but this topic of getting rid of the low bids seems to come up frequently, but I don't see those programmer who are doing a lot of work on SL complaining about it.
I don't see them charging low amounts either. Why is that?
Well, see if its a project about installing a simple script or making a minor change to anything on a website which won't take more than 15 mins for someone with good knowledge, i don't mind the webmaster paying me $5-10 for it. I do that for free for my regular clients!! But, then again out of the roughly 300-400 odd projects posted on SL daily, about 30-40% fall in that category of what "shareaweb" righfully called as "Clone the internet for a dollar.." We programmers are here to work and work good and deliver quality!! Someone had mentioned in his signature "Pay peanuts and get a monkey" Very true.
What's bothering most of us is that there should be some standard price ratings for projects. Just because someone has too much money to spare doesn't mean i've to blow a titanic in his pockets and while another person has nothing to give doesn't means i've to work for free! All we all are asking for is a standard pricing measure for projects. In short...We just want to get paid for whats worth the work we are doing...nothing more nothing less.
And about those programmers who've done a lot of work on SL...No Disrespect to either you or the senior programmers on SL...But, well they've mostly done most of the kind of projects we get on SL...so its like repeating the same work again...and at times only need to change logo's or banners or connection settings. I'd charge you half for what i charged my first client on a particular project i've already finished:) because i had to do R&D and much more the first time to get that system up. So, a second project of a similar kind is just plain repeatation of work and not having too much of a headache.
Regards,
Anirban:)
trendywebs
06/06/2006, 06:04
Not only are you proud to be an Indian, but you are proud to be a programmer on SL. :)
I think you have a great idea there. No one has really mentioned this before.
Programmers should be granted more control, and SL should somehow monitor the projects posted by webmasters, since we are all sick and tired of these $5 projects.
Yes!! Definately i am proud to be an Indian, and i do take pride in what i do:)
One way of controlling those $5 projects is to make them only for straight forward script installation not something like setting up awstats or WHM-Autopilot and for minor modifications and i mean a teeny weeny modifications. You get my point i think what i mean to say...
Way to go. Eventually everything will improve. I must say that I am really impressed with what SL staff has done so far. We can all see that they are working hard to make SL a better place for everyone and anyone.
Yes indeed SL staff has been working really hard...like the recent addition of features like E-gold conversion, Bid hiding feature, Programmer Kickout System:rolleyes:, and not to forget my favourite IP Banning :eek: (which has till date kicked me out 6 times!!) I admit being a site admin isn't an easy job to do. But, we really need some improvements on the things which many of us both programmers and webmasters have been asking for a long long time. The three musketeers of SL have done it so far and i believe they can do it better:). Thanks for everything till now.
Regards,
Anirban:)
Why do you think $5 bids are not good? :) Consider following and correct me please if i'm wrong:
1. $5 bids are good for SL, because SL gets its fee. For SL it does not matter if project was $100 or $5 - fee is the same. SL receives $10 from such $5 project.
2. $5 bid is also good for person who referenced a programmer who bids $5, because of SL affiliate program. So again if I referenced to SL somebody who bid $5 I get my $2.5.
3. Seems to me certified members pay less fee, so if certified member bid $5 he still gets some money :)
4. Such $5 bids help to start on SL. Think webmasters prefer programmers with at least one review.
Think #1 is most important item in the list why $5 bids are allowed here. If I were SL owner I would never disallow $5 bids.
So as conclusion would say $5 bids help us :) cause if there were no $5 bids we would probably pay more fees on the projects. IMHO.
trendywebs
06/06/2006, 23:59
Why do you think $5 bids are not good? :) Consider following and correct me please if i'm wrong:
1. $5 bids are good for SL, because SL gets its fee. For SL it does not matter if project was $100 or $5 - fee is the same. SL receives $10 from such $5 project.
The question was about random $5 bids on any project irrespective of what kind of project it is. Like many people have pointed it out before. Many webmasters/programmers have been asking huge tasks to be done at a very bare minimum pay. Its not about why not $5 its about $5 for which projects!
2. $5 bid is also good for person who referenced a programmer who bids $5, because of SL affiliate program. So again if I referenced to SL somebody who bid $5 I get my $2.5.
3. Seems to me certified members pay less fee, so if certified member bid $5 he still gets some money :)
4. Such $5 bids help to start on SL. Think webmasters prefer programmers with at least one review.
It might be good if you have a referal system or for SL. But, SL gets more if we get higher priced projects right? $5 for upto $100 and %5 straight then onwards!! I don't think so that any of the SL admins frown upon better bid projs chosen. If 10 projects with $5 commission are completed its still better to have 1-2 projects with high bid values.
I'll try to explain from a practical view. I once lost a project to another fellow programmer here on SL, the project was for AWStats tweaking and modification. Those who know what that is will agree that its not a $5 job. Not only me but there were a few more programmers bid the right amounts. But, none of them got selected.
Think #1 is most important item in the list why $5 bids are allowed here. If I were SL owner I would never disallow $5 bids.
So as conclusion would say $5 bids help us :) cause if there were no $5 bids we would probably pay more fees on the projects. IMHO.
Well who asked for disallowing $5 bids or projects? All we asked is to limit or put some restrain on those crazy bids and crazy project budgets that some programmers/webmasters have putting in here. In short some sort of systematic method or procedure of measuring the worth of a project. Even yesterday i saw a project asking for a "Myspace or PHPFox Clone for $50" Is that justified? Answer that question to yourself and see if its ok. Its not only about getting a review, its about earning too. If, i'd wanted reviews i could've asked my friends abroad or anywhere around in my country to post projects and pick me up (This can be easily done at the cost of $5 per review) but does that make any difference? I'm not trying to offend your thinking but i'm just trying to put up an argument of why these $5 bids should be limited and monitored. Because many of us feel that SL is a totally webmaster friendly website. It should be both ways.
Regards,
Anirban:)
Ok, I understand you. But still, it is a market and sometimes (maybe even often) things are not logical at first glance. But I'm almost sure such "myspace" and "google" clones for 50 will never be completed, and in some time after waiting and waiting and waiting.... webmaster will post project again but maybe without budget limit set :) Or if webmaster was not serious he will not post project again. IMHO. Same goes for other projects.
Think the problem is that a lot of webmasters do not even imagine what fanctionality stands behind the frontend (not trying to offend). When some 15 year old boy sees googles simple search form he thinks it is so easy to implement, cause he do not even know what is behind that form :(
Not sure if it would be good if projects were filtered by SL staff. Such things always lead to problems. "On amount of words" or "semantic analysis" estimations are not good since require veeery advanced logic wich will fail sometimes anyway.
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