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Just wonder that prices for design work are really low.
We work on Russian local market (you know, prices and salaries in Russia are many many times lower that in the USA or Europe) and we normally charge 250$ for custom Website design (this is for making good quality design PSD).
But this is extremely high prices for this place. That's why we normally do only Programming work on SL, not design.... Why so?
Maybe this can be because of the templates...
If buyers know that they can purchase high quality website design for $60, they tend to pay similar price for the custom design, too :confused:
And they still want it to be custom and unique :o
Yeah, what about me I'd never purchase a template, knowing that there'll be quite similar site somewhere in the Net...
silly situation...
tothseth
01/27/2005, 10:28
But this is extremely high prices for this place. That's why we normally do only Programming work on SL, not design.... Why so?
Maybe cause there are many young designers who want to gather feedback - they offer their services for very low price. It's buyers choice if he wants to risk his time using cheap and unexperienced designers or hire some big and expensive company. You can't really say witch is better for the buyer - cheap design don't have to mean it's bad.
:) i was asked by one of my client to design him a flyer for $10 , gosh :confused: , don't they know how hard for us to think make a good design :) . I mean if only i can swicth places with him...me as the client and he's the designer..wonder what will he say....probably running to this forum and posted the thread as i do right now ...lol.
Yup, my Ukrainian designers-friends also say that it has no sense to look for a design project at scriptlance because design prices are too low here (my opinion is because indian designers set too low price for their work. Hope they make nice designs at least).
funny thing.. We have several designers in our team. But sometimes it's really better for us to find some designers from India and let our designers work at the local market.
Strange business.... )
blowndeadline
01/27/2005, 17:28
The problem with templates is very simple. They are cheap and usually can be edited by anyone with Photoshop. The next problem is that everyone and their brother can purchase the same template. Has anyone ever tried to edit a flash or PSD template? They are horribly organized and nothing is labeled, makes life rough!
Most people will opt for something original if your design skills are good. I always tell people if you want cheap and fast, get a template. If you want original and not a cookie cutter website, then it will cost more.
Mike
0fusiongraffix0
01/27/2005, 18:05
Well thats a good saying :D
Maybe cause there are many young designers who want to gather feedback - they offer their services for very low price. It's buyers choice if he wants to risk his time using cheap and unexperienced designers or hire some big and expensive company.
I totally agree about the newbie-designers, who quote low to get their first reviews... But, I'm SHOCKED by some really great designers, with hundreds of excellent reviews, who bid for $5 or $10 on many projects :eek: ... You probably know who I'm talking about, sorry, no offence. I'm just curious WHY? Don't they have enough well-paid work? Why work for free?
They just spoil the marketplace for the newbies, who can't compete with experienced designers making better work for free.
sure, it is bad not only for the newbies here :(
kieranmullen
08/02/2005, 15:04
as a Webmaster I have found prices on scriptlance to be higher than others becuase of the low competition compared to other big name bidding sites...
If possible, please tell what is a "high price" for you. Most bids I can see here are $5-$10-$20.
kieranmullen
08/02/2005, 15:26
haha! It all depends. I am looking for a simple email to IM application but I have getting 2-3 hundred dollars on it. 5-20 would be too cheap...:-p
:) I thought you were talking about design prices, not programming, since the topic name is "Design prices".
As a designer, I'm not happy with the prices on SL.
kieranmullen
08/02/2005, 16:13
Well I suppose you too can use templates... Just ask the client if they care if you use a template? They probably wont as long as it says their name on it... There are a million templates and websites out there.... People rarely come across both...
kieranmullen
08/02/2005, 21:48
What is the price of an average project in your eyes then?
Well.. about a year ago I did website designs for $250 here on SL. Since that time I rarely see design projects even with a $150 budget.
Well I suppose you too can use templates... yes, thank you for the advice. I used to make unique designs, but selling templates is a very good option too, I'm going to try it soon.
acameron
08/03/2005, 12:12
The problem here is that there are so many people competing for the same work so prices plummet. If we had 10 projects and only 3 providors the price would be sky high. But thats why people who know come here.
The negative side is that prices are so low they are often unreasonable. But yet for somereason someone still does them :( Which keeps prices where they are. Check out my related post here:
http://forum.scriptlance.com/showthread.php?t=352
kieranmullen
08/04/2005, 21:30
There is always RAC you know. There are more coders on there....
acameron
08/04/2005, 22:18
There is always RAC you know. There are more coders on there....
I know lol. Every *lance site I have been to has just been so overloaded with programmers that everthing is so cheap its not worth the time (unless you really need the extra money :P ) As far as I can tell the best way/place to freelance is in your back yard. Network, socialize, and advertise. But even that is tough.
(Now this is about programming in a way :p)
Whenever I bid I have to bid low to get picked, the chances of someone getting picked with no rating that bid high are so low that, you have to bid low. Now that I have atleast 2 bids I always bid higher than the people with no rating, but not to much higher. The problem is, like stated earlier, is that people won't get picked unless they have a good rating, I wish we had a better system, but currently this is the best system :(
kieranmullen
08/07/2005, 03:03
How would you suggest to do it?
KM
If you can get a $60 for a very high quality design from TM (as an example) why opt for a high price for a low quality design? Yes! It's good both for designers and webmasters if the price is fair enough, but make sure the quality is also fair! From my experience I think 95% of SL designers cannot challenge the qulity of design by TM team. It's a reality! So just use TM quality design as a benchmark. If you can do it better, yes, I'm willing to pay more. But again from my experience you won't get (95% probability) a better design than TM even though you offer for a $1000 price! That's the root of the problem - too hard to find a good designer here.
And most designers here (include the 100 x 10 stars designer) tend to sell their template not their own design. They don't even know how to draw creatively but still goy a bunch of 10stars! Really..
you can get a $60 for a very high quality design from TM it's a price for template. Unique design is way MORE expensive on TM.
From my experience I think 95% of SL designers cannot challenge the qulity of design by TM team. ... That's the root of the problem - too hard to find a good designer here.
I feel like I've heard this already.... here... http://forum.scriptlance.com/showthread.php?t=330#post2726
I think 95% of SL designers cannot challenge the qulity of design by TM team Though, you are probably right. And you know why? Because the design prices here on SL will never attract good designers to sign up.
And noone here seems to care about it.
There is a reason that they charge $2500 on TM for a 10 sec flash intro. No one in their right mind would come here and try to do something like that for $100.
Prices for design actually getting higher in exUSSR countryes also, soon they will be equal to european or US ones.
kieranmullen
08/17/2005, 17:21
So then there will be no benefit then as the US has plenty of designers too.
You think the USSR are just getting greedy? Or is work that far and between that they need something to keep them over?
I completely agree with the guys talking about charge difference worldwide. I live in the UK and I also experience the battle of the charges. But I have noticed that some contractors actually would rather pay the extra just to be working with UK Freelancers.
I run a small Graphic Design business, and one of my main competition is sites like this one. So I figure, if you can't beet em, join em; I'm sick of being out-bidded by someone who charges next to nothing and says view my port folio - only to find that have a poor port folio and some negative feedback. So I tend not to bid that much on here any more when my work goes thin at my business. Instead, I have made a Freelance site that is UK based for and will be marketed that way. Obviously people will have the choice of international, but I will at some point some apply a country filter, so contractor can choose only to accept bids from a specific country if they wish, or indeed world wide.
I will get people interested by making the FEATURED projects a much lower price. I can do this because my overheads are lower, and it will encourage Freelancers as well as Contractors as there will be no commission.
The indian Freelance industry doesn't stop at Desing, it has also cornered the communications market; I'm always getting calls from BRITISH Telecom with someone on the end of the line who can't understand basic English.
Hopefully one day these contractors will realise that what we charge for are quality thoughts and execution, along with conversation and contact with zero confussion.
Sorry about the long message, I just thought I would air my thoughts hahaha
Well.. about a year ago I did website designs for $250 here on SL. Since that time I rarely see design projects even with a $150 budget.
yes, thank you for the advice. I used to make unique designs, but selling templates is a very good option too, I'm going to try it soon.
I think it's all a matter of time/money when it comes to choosing templates or original works...and you can combine the two also.
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