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I am a new programmer at SL. I like SL for the type of stuffs they have. But unfortunately I had never been able to do a project. You know why? Just because I don't have any feedback yet! I have lost about 5 projects just because the webmaster added as an Additional Information, this insane statement which I hate nowadays::: :mad:
" Please bid only if you have good feedback. Don't waste your time bidding if you have no feedbacks. "
Now come out of it! :mad: This is just nuisance. Nobody new at SL has loads of feedback attached to his name even before he has just entered! Obviously, I can't bid for all the projects so that I at least get accepted by one of them(and get a feedback at last), because I am good at only a few languages and programs like CSS, PHP and Flash programming. So I bid for projects of my interest but there also if they pose restrictions then its just useless.
It is good if webmasters consider the work or response but feedback, no way. Feedback could be considered only if there are feedbacks and most of them are negative. It doesn't mean a programmer having no feedback is equivalent to a programming having negative feedback!
Anyway, there is no use posting here cause webmasters really don't change. Just wanted to take out this frustration out of mind and couldn't find a better place.
Patience!
We all had zero reviews when we started.
trendywebs
09/26/2006, 05:07
Varun....the journey for me from 0 to 23 reviews took about a year man! All you need is a truck load of patience and a little bit of good luck and then see you'll have a load of projects to keep you busy. Best of luck bro.
Regards,
Anirban.:)
Here is a tip that helped me 4 years back when I started my journey on SL...
Discuss the project in PMB rather than what you can do or have done. Usually webmasters look for a programmer who understands the requirements, has ideas and communicates well rather than one with tons of feedback :)
Consider this, when you have 30-50-100 reviews, its no guarantee you will get the project, there are plenty of programmers with those many reviews. Its your understanding of the project that will win you the deal. And ofcourse a little bit of luck!
Good luck and welcome to ScriptLance!
Thanks guys for your suggestions.
I really need to have bit patience, I suppose(I do have it in many situation but not in this one, dunno why?)
I feel a bit sighed that you understood my situation :o .
Looks like I really need to wait and keep bidding on projects fancying my interests until I get one.
inet, Actually I do discuss everything in PMB but what should I do if the webmaster already says feedback is taken into account and he doesn't bother me when I post in PMB. That's the situation when you really get hurt. I bookmark the projects of my client and visit daily to see what the webmaster has replied in PMB but days after days I find no response! This has happened to me most of the times. Maybe my communication skills are not that good(doesn't mean I use foul language but maybe I m not able to explain myself out) but still the ideas I give are usually fine.
Anyway, I'll try to improve on my communication skills and ideas to be given to webmaster.
Actually I do discuss everything in PMB but what should I do if the webmaster already says feedback is taken into account and he doesn't bother me when I post in PMB.
Posting is free, convince the webmaster that you're new and good. Feedback alone isn't going to safe you.
That's the situation when you really get hurt. I bookmark the projects of my client and visit daily to see what the webmaster has replied in PMB but days after days I find no response! This has happened to me most of the times. Maybe my communication skills are not that good(doesn't mean I use foul language but maybe I m not able to explain myself out) but still the ideas I give are usually fine.
You'll be notified by email if a post has been made, IIRC, so I barely bookmark projects (or I do using the <shameless plug>SL Greasemonkey script (http://helpmewith.it/)</shameless plug>). Anyways, I have 100 feedback entries now, yet a lot of webmasters don't reply to me either, so it's not that alone ;-)
Hang in there, be patient, take the less nice projects also and get going!
My journey from 0 to 45 took about 11months or so.
In the beginning I had to fight to get projects. It is much easier now than it was then, and you also build up regular clients as you move along.
Don't worry...just be patient, keep on bidding, and do everything you possibly can to convince a webmaster that you are able to do the job to complete satisfaction.
I see all of you took time to build up a smooth freelancing journey at scriptlance. So patience is really the key. I'll do what you exactly said contrid... just be patient, keep on bidding, and do everything you possibly can to convince a webmaster that you are able to do the job to complete satisfaction.
Thank you all.
Regards,
Varun
trendywebs
09/26/2006, 15:29
Gain whatever knowledge you can and keep trying your best. Its never too late for you to get the first good break. Best of luck.
Regards,
Anirban.
You'll have to work hard and stay honest at all times to build a positive name for yourself.
Soon you won't need to browse for projects that often anymore. You'll notice that your clients will keep on returning for more work...and they might even refer their friends/colleagues
Good luck! ;)
trendywebs
09/26/2006, 15:45
You'll have to work hard and stay honest at all times to build a positive name for yourself.
Soon you won't need to browse for projects that often anymore. You'll notice that your clients will keep on returning for more work...and they might even refer their friends/colleagues
Good luck! ;)
See...someone's giving trade secrets hehe...but these are true. I hardly pickup projects over here on a regular basis. Regular clients keep me busy all the time now...it'll take some time but its all for good;)
jayapura
09/26/2006, 17:51
Posting here in the forum might help too to build a positive image of yourself...
I have hired 2 programmers who were active here.
Now both are ill and can't complete the project I hired them for :(
Who want to be the next one ? :D
Just a Tip from a webmasters View.. I never even look new Programmers if they bid higher than the avg "old" programmers.. IMO is just stupid.. I mean you are new, you want webmasters to trust you and choose you and your 1st bid is high? o_O Anyways that might just be me :P
I only see this term : Please bid only if you have good feedback. Don't waste your time bidding if you have no feedbacks.
pretty rarely..
magicnetwork
09/26/2006, 20:58
varun
Welcome to the real world.
NwS
Example:
Programmer #1 very “old“ script kiddy :) and has 2 feedbacks. The first feedback for the project he did for feedback. The second feedback he did for food/beer ($10) :)
Programmer #2 has a lot of experience but have registered on SL one day ago. No feedbacks.
They both have placed different bids for the project named “I have $100 and want all the world”. The first programmer again puts a bid for $10. The second programmer discusses all project details with the webmaster and puts a bid for $20,000 (for example).
Two questions:
1. Who will be chosen?
2. How quickly the webmaster will complain about worst experience with this project?
jayapura
IMHO, you always choose the cheapest programmer and then tell us on all SL topics about ruined business :)
trendywebs
09/27/2006, 01:27
Posting here in the forum might help too to build a positive image of yourself...
I have hired 2 programmers who were active here.
Now both are ill and can't complete the project I hired them for :(
Who want to be the next one ? :D
And the story goes on and on and on and on lol.... Man you really need to get better programmers:D
trendywebs
09/27/2006, 01:29
jayapura
IMHO, you always choose the cheapest programmer and then tell us on all SL topics about ruined business :)
Lol...this is funny...well what can we say but some people do have bad experiences but jaypura seems to be magnetic towards bad experience...
varun
Welcome to the real world.
NwS
Example:
Programmer #1 very “old“ script kiddy :) and has 2 feedbacks. The first feedback for the project he did for feedback. The second feedback he did for food/beer ($10) :)
Programmer #2 has a lot of experience but have registered on SL one day ago. No feedbacks.
They both have placed different bids for the project named “I have $100 and want all the world”. The first programmer again puts a bid for $10. The second programmer discusses all project details with the webmaster and puts a bid for $20,000 (for example).
Two questions:
1. Who will be chosen?
2. How quickly the webmaster will complain about worst experience with this project?
jayapura
IMHO, you always choose the cheapest programmer and then tell us on all SL topics about ruined business :)
LOL! That makes me roll off on the floor. :D . You posed a good question to NwS.
NwS
Example:
Programmer #1 very “old“ script kiddy :) and has 2 feedbacks. The first feedback for the project he did for feedback. The second feedback he did for food/beer ($10) :)
Programmer #2 has a lot of experience but have registered on SL one day ago. No feedbacks.
They both have placed different bids for the project named “I have $100 and want all the world”. The first programmer again puts a bid for $10. The second programmer discusses all project details with the webmaster and puts a bid for $20,000 (for example).
Two questions:
1. Who will be chosen?
2. How quickly the webmaster will complain about worst experience with this project?
Heya,
If this project was mine then NONE. (85% at least)
I was talking about an average situation. When you got lets say 5 "old" programmers with bids among $500-$1000 for example and a new one with a $2000 bid. There is only a tiny 5% to chose this one.
So..
1st. 85% NONE.
2nd. If he doesnt chose never! xD But he can complain that there are not enough programmers ;P
Cya,
NwS
But I never talked about high price or low price.. it's just the overlooking of some webmasters due to lack of feedback whick makes me annoying. Anyway, I've learned that i should wait to grab success. :rolleyes:
But I never talked about high price or low price.. it's just the overlooking of some webmasters due to lack of feedback whick makes me annoying. Anyway, I've learned that i should wait to grab success. :rolleyes:
As i said it was just a TIP :P
Btws what kind of work are you into? I might have something xD
NwS
jayapura
09/27/2006, 17:24
jayapura
IMHO, you always choose the cheapest programmer and then tell us on all SL topics about ruined business :)
* Wrong.
And viewing my ratings and past projects will tell you nothing. For ex., one programmer bid was $100. In fact I paid him $400 + I paid for Western Union transfer, etc. And I often send bonuses...
* These 2 Programmers are REALLY ill.
trendywebs
09/28/2006, 13:02
These 2 Programmers are REALLY ill.
Man you really need to do one thing! Buy a return ticket to the programmers country, take your baseball bat along with you and i'll courier you the sandwiches and you take a good vacation in that country. You're programmers are not ill... i don't think so....:D
As i said it was just a TIP :P
Btws what kind of work are you into? I might have something xD
NwS
I am great at Flash, Graphic Designing and Website Designing. I know a bit JS but don't take risk at SL to accept such(JS) projects.
You can check my portfolio at http://www.apdz.com/v6/index.php?id=portfolio.(I love doing animation and graphics)
Other sites I created are:
www.novenpharma.com
www.bathlineindia.com
www.qualcorelogic.com
www.blacnote.net
www.redwoodcreek.com
www.deepixel.com/clients/ISG/index2.html <--working on this one(outside SL)
http://64.78.62.118/MikoDev/index.swf <--working on this one(outside SL)
You have some great work there! xD any price list?
Thanks,
NwS
Great work you have there! ;)
I am great at Flash, Graphic Designing and Website Designing. I know a bit JS but don't take risk at SL to accept such(JS) projects.
You can check my portfolio at http://www.apdz.com/v6/index.php?id=portfolio.(I love doing animation and graphics)
Other sites I created are:
www.novenpharma.com
www.bathlineindia.com
www.qualcorelogic.com
www.blacnote.net
www.redwoodcreek.com
www.deepixel.com/clients/ISG/index2.html <--working on this one(outside SL)
http://64.78.62.118/MikoDev/index.swf <--working on this one(outside SL)
Hey man,you are really good,but...one tip:
please check www.novenpharma.com in Firefox.
thanks guys.
NwS,I've not got any price list. In fact, I don't even have the time to create my site ;) . Well, still here's the url http://deepixel.com. Its under construction(do try to catch my logo :) ). And thanks..
kelja, you're right.. the news/updates section is not scrolling right? well, anyway now I'd sold that project and the webmaster seems to have no probs. Still, I'll inform him about it..if he really cares. And thanks..
contrid, thank you.
Regards,
Varun
I could play with that logo for hours :D
How did you do that? Honestly...HOW? That's probably the best flash effect I've ever seen. Is there any way that you can point me to a resource to learn something like that? Thanks ;)
I caught it! Do I win a prize? :D
Hey that's cheating... If you don't know the game rules then you're fired off your job! :D
I told you to keep that sticked with ur mouse for about 1 min well, at least 5 sec.
Anyway, thanks. It was really the best thing I'd done in Flash ;) .
jayapura
10/05/2006, 19:58
Man you really need to do one thing! Buy a return ticket to the programmers country, take your baseball bat along with you and i'll courier you the sandwiches and you take a good vacation in that country. You're programmers are not ill... i don't think so....:D
https://www.scriptlance.com/cgi-bin/freelancers/freelancers.cgi?viewprofile=zubrag
Communication was good until 7/25/2006 (date of his last login on SL).
Doesn't answer emails. Doesn't answer postal mails. Doesn't pick up the phone when I call him. A friend of him said he has severe pneumonia.
But might be a lie, and the "friend" might be the Programmer himself...
Am I too credulous ?
Jayapura, you always face such problems.. not new to those really, eh? Well, I really can't believe that you've been dumbed by a programmer who has 55 positive reviews..Ain't I m better than him to be a programmer with no feedback but with good response? ;)
Why dont you invite me to do a project for you Jayapura? I think you might get at least one project done ;) .
trendywebs
10/07/2006, 17:33
https://www.scriptlance.com/cgi-bin/freelancers/freelancers.cgi?viewprofile=zubrag
Communication was good until 7/25/2006 (date of his last login on SL).
Doesn't answer emails. Doesn't answer postal mails. Doesn't pick up the phone when I call him. A friend of him said he has severe pneumonia.
But might be a lie, and the "friend" might be the Programmer himself...
Am I too credulous ?
Well i can't say anything about that....But, ummm i guess i've seen that person login much later then the date its showing up on there...:confused: maybe i'm wrong...but i think so i have.
Hey got my first project completed! :D
Look at the feedback I got ::
"Review: A high-quality skilled professional individual programmer. This was my first project and Varun made by newbie experience at scriptlance awesome. He did the design work and coding so perfectly and kept me updated each day. He provided unlimited revisions to my work until I was completely satisfied. He was perfectly good at communication and all other spheres. He is exactly what he says in his profile. I recommend him to everyone alike. Looking for future projects with him."
I love it guys..
Thanx for all of your suggestions i got success at last!
Too much happy..:D :D :D :D
Congratulations!!! I'm sure you will do well!!! :D
trendywebs
10/09/2006, 14:16
Hey got my first project completed! :D
Look at the feedback I got ::
"Review: A high-quality skilled professional individual programmer. This was my first project and Varun made by newbie experience at scriptlance awesome. He did the design work and coding so perfectly and kept me updated each day. He provided unlimited revisions to my work until I was completely satisfied. He was perfectly good at communication and all other spheres. He is exactly what he says in his profile. I recommend him to everyone alike. Looking for future projects with him."
I love it guys..
Thanx for all of your suggestions i got success at last!
Too much happy..:D :D :D :D
Thats AWESOME!! See bro its never too late:) Good going man...just keep it up and there's no one stopping you.
Best of luck,
Anirban.
converge
10/09/2006, 15:00
Great Going man!:) and see all ur patience is worth it since you didn't get any 'A+++' or similar in your review...:)
ludesign
10/09/2006, 15:25
Congratulations Varun :p
Nice job... i wish you a lot of projects in near future.
@Varun :
All these guys can tell you to just stay calm and cool.
Never get too confident, and never be dishonest. I'm not saying that you will...i'm just saying because I know that some people lose it along the way.
Stay on track at all times. Soon you'll be where you want to be...you'll see ;)
@Varun :
All these guys can tell you to just stay calm and cool.
Never get too confident, and never be dishonest. I'm not saying that you will...i'm just saying because I know that some people lose it along the way.
Stay on track at all times. Soon you'll be where you want to be...you'll see ;)
Yeah you bet. Good luck there !!!!
thanx guys..I know that I shouldn't be over confident or over excited, mate..
Now I will continue to contain my patience as you guys had guided me.
Thank you all of you. :)
I am great at Flash, Graphic Designing and Website Designing. I know a bit JS but don't take risk at SL to accept such(JS) projects.
You can check my portfolio at http://www.apdz.com/v6/index.php?id=portfolio.(I love doing animation and graphics)
Other sites I created are:
www.novenpharma.com
www.bathlineindia.com
www.qualcorelogic.com
www.blacnote.net
www.redwoodcreek.com
www.deepixel.com/clients/ISG/index2.html <--working on this one(outside SL)
http://64.78.62.118/MikoDev/index.swf <--working on this one(outside SL)
Hey Varun... want to explain why you claim to own my portfolio?
Hey Varun... want to explain why you claim to own my portfolio?
Oops...eventually the sh*t hit the fan...
Hey Varun... want to explain why you claim to own my portfolio?
Ok. I agree that I used your portfolio to get new projects. But that was just for a start. I didn't have a portfolio for myself and everybody on SL regarded portfolio more than skills or talks.
Anyway, I don't use it anymore cause I've got a few review and those are now enough to prove that I know what I do.
Regards,
Varun
Ok, you just dropped sub-zero on my respect scale ... lame, fairly lame.
Ok, you just dropped sub-zero on my respect scale ... lame, fairly lame.
You mean : "Lame, f*cking extremely lame..." :D
Hey Varun... want to explain why you claim to own my portfolio?
Did someone contact you and ask for Varun? :D
Did someone contact you and ask for Varun? :D
May be he checked the referrer logs ;-)
Varun: You still have those links in your profile ;-)
https://www.scriptlance.com/cgi-bin/freelancers/freelancers.cgi?viewprofile=varun
Those links are mine. Only http://www.apdz.com/v6/index.php?id=portfolio is his.
I just didn't have a pfolio where all my site created links were present so I used it.
He found it out when one of the webmasters tried to contact me thru that page
And please don't use such bad words..really embarrasing to see them..i feel sorry although I get such words..i apologize to all..
Well Varun. For your sake I hope you really did create the other sites mentioned in your portfolio since I have contacted the respective owners of each of them to find out if you did or not.
If you don't have a portfolio, please don't claim to own other peoples ones. Make your own. It's also giving client false information.
Also I don't believe that you made those flash sites as you contacted me and said you didn't know anything about flash and that you wanted me to make you websites so you can keep the money to "buy flash tutorials".
He found it out when one of the webmasters tried to contact me thru that page
You told me about this site. I joined it. I would have seen your forum posts and found out about this anyway. I'm dissapointed you did this man.
If there is a Script Lance moderator reading this.. you might want to check Varuns clients and make sure they are geniune and not varun signing up and giving himself good reviews.. other clients may be at risk. (If he did genuinely do the projects then I'm sorry I said that)
(btw Varun learn to use the edit button in the forum!)
hmmm... The designer of Blacknote.com, Nathan Galloway, has emailed me back and told me that Varun did not make blacknote.com ... Now I wonder... did you do the other sites in your portfolio?
Now the sh*t's really hitting the fan hard. :D
trendywebs
10/26/2006, 19:32
Oops...eventually the sh*t hit the fan...
Yes it had to happen lol remember we talked about it hahahahaha
trendywebs
10/26/2006, 19:37
Ha ha ha this is so damn funny!!!! :D :D :D :D i had tried to contact the real varun (apdz) for a project of mine lol and found this shit out. Varun you really need to grow up man!! Claiming someone's work as your own is the lowest one can go. This is really lame! All your big talk just lost all the air. And all you got is loose all the respect everyone had and helping you were getting for being a newbie on SL...This is sick shit.
Yes it had to happen lol remember we talked about it hahahahaha
Ladies and gentlemen....
This has been officially recorded into the Genuis book of Scriptlance as the scammiest, sickest trick ever pulled in the history of Scriptlance.
Ah well... lets not jump to conclusions.. I'm sure he has an explanation :D
and everyone's dying to hear it.
I think we lost the poor soul ... will probably show up soon under a new name ;-)
trendywebs
10/27/2006, 09:21
and everyone's dying to hear it.
I'm surely dying to...
trendywebs
10/27/2006, 09:22
I think we lost the poor soul ... will probably show up soon under a new name ;-)
I'm damn sure he will!!! Just watch out if he appears next time with your portfolio on his hahahahaha:D
There's no use to be on these forums now. Thanks guys for all your support.
The nerve you've got! At least have the balls to explain yourself and have the decency to apologise.
My explanation stands-I had skills but no pfolio. Thought for quick sol. whc was my mistake. I have already apologized to all including SL to use it.
hmmm... The designer of Blacknote.com, Nathan Galloway, has emailed me back and told me that Varun did not make blacknote.com ... Now I wonder... did you do the other sites in your portfolio?
And this? You just can't go around saying you've done jobs that you haven't. How do you explain that?
As for the portfolio - 'no having one' is a pretty lame excuse.
trendywebs
10/27/2006, 13:37
My explanation stands-I had skills but no pfolio. Thought for quick sol. whc was my mistake. I have already apologized to all including SL to use it.
Well my dear friend...many of us never had any portfolio when they started working anywhere let alone SL even when i got my first project on SL a yr or so back i had no portfolio but had the skills...but still managed to get the project. Shortcut is a way out but at the end it ends up with shame and disgrace...I hope you get the meaning....
trendywebs
10/27/2006, 13:39
The nerve you've got! At least have the balls to explain yourself and have the decency to apologise.
I'd add a little bit to it. "and still lie"
I am not to answer any of your questions. I will have it answered to people whom I did wrong to.
digitalnature
10/27/2006, 13:41
....pwned :D
trendywebs
10/27/2006, 13:53
I am not to answer any of your questions. I will have it answered to people whom I did wrong to.
Did i ever as for an explaination? I don't think so! And ofcourse you did wrong to everyone by acting lame and making fool of everyone over here. while everyone tried to help you warmly...anyway upto you.
I didn't know how your posts came in before that statement. Anyway, I was talking to xtro not you.
trendywebs
10/27/2006, 14:10
I didn't know how your posts came in before that statement. Anyway, I was talking to xtro not you.
Oh sorry my bad lol....
Well my dear friend...many of us never had any portfolio when they started working anywhere let alone SL even when i got my first project on SL a yr or so back i had no portfolio but had the skills...but still managed to get the project. Shortcut is a way out but at the end it ends up with shame and disgrace...I hope you get the meaning....
Yes, i agree. Why don't you people understand that I feel sorry :( for what I've done and I know it is a mistake?
P.S. trendywebs, please see my quote in your post; there itself it is written that "Thought for quick sol. whc was my mistake"
converge
10/27/2006, 14:12
Well...this is :eek: ....
I still remember those days of struggle...bidding on projects you know you can do well...losing out..lowering bid...struggling...
Its difficult for newcomers...but every single person here have gone thru the struggle and there is no shortcut to it..
Varun u did a misdeed to apdz by claiming to do his work...i'm sure you must have felt that it may not affect him...but this is simply not the way to go...you have lost a lot of credibility man..
I once remember this incident...
There was a fellow bidding on one of my projects who claimed to have made the website of a leading electronics goods producer. I checked out the site and it was credited to a reputable website designing firm...so i wrote back a pmb telling him that i have contacted the site admin and will be getting his feedback soon...
Judging by the guy's response, he must have peed in his pants..lines and lines of apologies...:D :D
Neways the bottom line is such antics never get you anywhere...
Varun you probably lost the trust that everyone had placed in you...If you want to prove your capablities, in future do not resort to using other people's portfolios...no programmer can digest that...
Apologize personally (via a personal mail ) to Apdz...and do not do such a thing again...as far as others here are concerned... trust is one thing time cannot necessarily get back....its gonna take some time to digest this act of urs.. ..I completely understand my fellow programmer's sentiments..
All you can do now is look ahead and carry on with complete honesty...
trendywebs
10/27/2006, 14:22
trust is one thing time cannot necessarily get back....its gonna take some time to digest this act of urs.. ..I completely understand my fellow programmer's sentiments..
All you can do now is look ahead and carry on with complete honesty...
So so so very well said! I totally agree with you.
You are right converge. But only one thing wrong..."its gonna take some time to digest this act of urs".
By seeing the reactions of people here, I don't think I m now ever going to be considered capable and honest.
Fortunately for you people I m going to bid farewell to you guys because now I won't, infact, don't deserve a place here. Sorry to say, :(
converge
10/27/2006, 14:33
Varun...
Running away won't clear your name.... Staying here and proving yourself right will...
By what you've written it is clear you're sorry for what you did.. now's the time to prove it. stay here... work good... and let us all be proud of your work...
I honestly hope you don't disappear....
Not wanting to run away. Liked this place a lot.
But not all are like you. You may be able to accept me but not most people. Also in forums you stay to give opinions/sugg./advices/maybe your work pieces and I m sure all of these of mine would be lame enough now as you all say.
Evem if I stay it doesn't seem I would be able to post as would be probably ashamed of doing it also.
Hey Varun!
First of all cheers for saying sorry and all that :D Don't leave, stay, learn, get better.. then you can laugh at all us lol
Second of all... don't continue to lie by saying you have the skills. You told me you didn't.
Also it would be nice if you apologized to the designers of the other sites. Especially Nathan as he made a very nice site :P
Anyway... Just don't go it again and your fine - I'm too lazy to hold grudges :D
converge
10/28/2006, 00:16
Guess apdz and me we have somethin in common....We both are pretty lazy...
I had a look at your work apdz and its incredible....some of the pieces are flawless...was too lazy to compliment you then...good thing it turned out to be...would have complimented the wrong person...:D :D
42ndfreak
10/28/2006, 01:52
@Varun - if you need something by way of encouragement, I'm someone who doesn't have a portfolio yet, but let's say *cough* I manage to survive (https://www.scriptlance.com/cgi-bin/freelancers/feedback.cgi?p=42ndfreak). As for skills - I'm not a brilliant coder (great, I suppose I'm not going to get hired for a good while now) - my knowledge is rather limited, but I do a few things and I daresay I do them sufficiently well - so hopefully you see that you don't need to pretend to be someone else to get a job.
Like everyone's pointed out, focus(/practice/communication/patience) is the key, running away isn't. By the looks of it, you seem to have realized that you made a mistake, so I'm not going to rub it in. Play honest and work hard, and good luck with the projects.
@apdz: I must say I admire your spirit (as much as you might want to call it laziness)... and nice work, too. :) Cheers!
Varun if u dont have portfolio.. just tell the client that i dont have portfolio but i can provide mockup.. and provide a great mockup okay? thats how you can build portfolio. and get jobs..
Hey Varun!
First of all cheers for saying sorry and all that :D Don't leave, stay, learn, get better.. then you can laugh at all us lol
Second of all... don't continue to lie by saying you have the skills. You told me you didn't.
Also it would be nice if you apologized to the designers of the other sites. Especially Nathan as he made a very nice site :P
Anyway... Just don't go it again and your fine - I'm too lazy to hold grudges :D
ok apdz accepted apolozie.. plz varun dont do this again and plz send us proof of sites you have listed here by creating new thread or you will be banned
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